You’re probably familiar with the Real Clear Politics average of polls where all major polls are averaged together. Well, now get familiar with the UnskewedPolls.com average of polls. While the site isn’t unskewed, as the name suggests, it sure is better than the leftward skew we’re seeing in the rest of the media. Instead, this website applies a single, realistic, skew and applies it to the polls from major news organizations.
President Obama won the 2008 election when
Democratic turnout exceeded Republican turnout by seven percentage points. Yet a recent Gallup poll used a turnout model for the 2012 election
assuming Democratic turnout would exceed that – 11 more points than Republicans.
While a Republican voter like me knows that Gallup poll is inflating Obama’s
numbers, there’s no way for me to know by how much.
Enter
UnskewedPolls.com and the Rasmussen turnout model.
Rasmussen has been using a turnout model based on 2004, and performs monthly party identification tracking polls. They don’t take the exceptionally high 2008 Democratic turnout and they don’t take the exceptionally high 2010 Republican turnout (even though one could argue that the 2010 model is probably more appropriate given Republican excitement this year). Instead, Rasmussen tracks current party affiliation.
Rasmussen has been using a turnout model based on 2004, and performs monthly party identification tracking polls. They don’t take the exceptionally high 2008 Democratic turnout and they don’t take the exceptionally high 2010 Republican turnout (even though one could argue that the 2010 model is probably more appropriate given Republican excitement this year). Instead, Rasmussen tracks current party affiliation.
UnskewedPolls.com applies the
Rasmussen party affiliation results to other polls, effectively
applying a single turnout model across all polling results. So an NBC/Wall Street Journal poll
that gives Obama a 50% to 45% lead over Romney becomes a lead for Romney,
51% to 44%. A NY Times/CBS News Poll that has Obama leading 49% to 46% becomes
a Romney lead of 51% to 44%.
I’ll readily
acknowledge that the entire venture may be an exercise in wishful thinking. But...
- If, like me, you don’t believe Democrat voters are more excited to vote in 2012 as they were in 2008
- If, like me, you believe the media has a vested interest in promoting Obama over Romney
- If, like me, you don’t understand the statistical underpinnings of polls but recognize that something just isn’t right
Of the twelve
different polls provided on the website, every single one shows Romney leading
Obama. I have to wonder why a couple of
high-profile polls aren’t included in the list – Gallup and Rasmussen are
particularly notable – but the results are undeniable.
The average of all twelve polls gives Romney a 51.8% to 44% lead going into October, and that’s good news for Republicans. I think that’s closer to reality than an Obama lead given the results of his policies and the stagnant economy. Even if you’re a Democrat, you should admit that you’re not as excited this year as you were in 2008, and the polling doesn’t match up. But we’ll all find out in November.
The average of all twelve polls gives Romney a 51.8% to 44% lead going into October, and that’s good news for Republicans. I think that’s closer to reality than an Obama lead given the results of his policies and the stagnant economy. Even if you’re a Democrat, you should admit that you’re not as excited this year as you were in 2008, and the polling doesn’t match up. But we’ll all find out in November.

That is indeed encouraging. I have been absolutely baffled how polls could show the narcisistic, incompetent, and mendacious Obama not to be down by ten points, let alone leading Romney. Common sense suggests that you and unskewed polling are correct. For the sake of our republic, I certainly hope so.
ReplyDeleteYes, very encouraging. Even FOX News last night was trying to figure out how Romney could possibly win and concluded that the current numbers are dismal in the swing states.
ReplyDeleteIt is funny to hear Republicans claim that the numbers are skewed and really Romney is doing fine. Oscar Wilde called this a form of a prayer.
John, let's return to this comment string on November 7th and see if it was prayer. As I recall, John Kerry won the election in 2004, according to the polls.
ReplyDeleteYes, indeed, and many democrats still claim Kerry won.
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ReplyDeleteIs the exception you site your evidence that Romney will probably win? My mom uses this same logic. She explains that I should play the lottery because "somebody wins," and if "everyone said that, then no one would win."
I agree that the people beat the odds, and I also agree that Romney could, in which case many prayers would be answered.
If the election would held today, Romney would lose, despite his 7.8% lead.
ReplyDeleteMy point, Mr Myste, is that none of know the actual state of the polls. I've cited before my problem with polls, each point was one that you could agree with.
ReplyDeleteWhat I hear from you is that if Romney wins, he will be beating the odds. But you are using odds that you can't know any more than I do.
To say that if the election were held today, Romney would lose, is purely a matter of faith on your part. The election won't be held today, and you can't know that he would lose. Take your Obama religion somewhere else.
If Romney were to loose then that simply means that a majority of voting Americans don't understand our history, our economics, nor our constitution. Either that, or they simply do not care about those things. Either way, America as the land of the free and the home of the brave will cease to be, should Obama be re-elected.
ReplyDeleteTo say that if the election were held today, Romney would lose, is purely a matter of faith on your part.
ReplyDeleteYou mean on my part, MSNBC's part and FOX New's fault, who have all implied the same. Amen, FOX, my brother.
Either way, America as the land of the free and the home of the brave will cease to be, should Obama be re-elected.
ReplyDeleteSimilar rhetoric is spouted off every election, Drama, and it is no more true today than it always is. Obama is not America.
"Obama is not America."
DeleteOn that single statement I will absolutely agree.
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ReplyDeleteA Huntsman or a Daniels would be even farther ahead, I think.
ReplyDeleteObama will lose and the main stream media will be scratching their heads. I am putting my faith that the independent voters who overwhelming turned out in 2008 in favor of Obama will not be so generous in Nov.
ReplyDeleteVery true, Chazter. His support among independents has fallen 17% since 2008. I charted his shrinking support among independents, Protestants, Jews, Latinos, Asians, and even blacks. He hasn't gained any ground since 2008.
ReplyDeleteOne problem with all the polls and analyses thereof is that the election will be decided by the independent or swing voters in a small number of swing states. If a poll can accurately predict how this group will vote, state by state, then Presidential elections would be very predictable.
ReplyDeleteAs Myste noted above, swing states currently appear to favor Obama. But if those polls are skewed based on the 2008 election patterns, then they are meaningless. I think the most accurate poll would ignore the hardcore right and left and focus on the center.
I have to agree with Paine, rhetoric or not, that another Obama term will likely be disastrous. The middle east is in turmoil, China and Japan are rattling sabres, and the U.S. "Commander-in-Chief" doesn't have a clue about how to fix any of it. At least, based on his actions, he doesn't have a clue. I.e. television shows and fundraising instead of working on immediate pressing issues and meeting with foreign heads of state.
FandB, good to have you here. What's ironic is that the election will be decided by a small number of voters, as you say. Yet the media is spending so much time reporting polls that are tilted so heavily to Obama that none of us can accurately determine the current state of the race.
ReplyDeleteImagine a scenario: Romney wins by enough of a margin that we avoid the Florida 2000 mayhem. Republicans will say "I told you so" about the skewed polls while Democrats will cry fraud. The friendly left wing media is creating a state where even Democrats won't be able to trust what they're told.
Instead, as this article states, "[Dean] Chambers insists he isn’t 'changing' or 'making up' data. 'The only thing I’m doing is weighting.'
ReplyDeleteBut that’s exactly what most pollsters don’t do. 'We don’t have any preconceived notions about the party breakdown of a poll before we conduct it. The only things we make any adjustments for are gender, race, and age...' "
Now the Right refuses to believe legitimate statistical sampling. Oh boy... [head shaking] Of course, it's par for the course for a party that refuses to accept legitimate science in any form. Why would survey methodology be any different? Even Stephen Colbert couldn't ignore this one.
Desperation shows its anxious face in many forms. The real gem is they don't even believe FOX News polling results. ;-) They've now resorted to eating their own!
Prediction: Obama in a (perceived) nail-biter. It has already been decided.
Jefferson, imagine a scenario. A nationwide poll comes out from a major news organization. The poll sample is not adjusted in any way, and the breakdown of respondents is: Democrat 30%, Republican 40%, and Independent 30%.
ReplyDeleteThe poll results in Obama 45% and Romney 55%. DO YOU BELIEVE THIS POLL? If not, why not?
Yes, I'm sure Romney loves the 7.8% number.
ReplyDeleteYes, I'm sure Romney loves the 7.8% number.
ReplyDeleteYeah, you should have listened to fivethirtyeight instead of some republican blog "correcting" all the polls by changing their numbers to favor Romney. Turns out this science stuff actually works.
ReplyDeleteMaybe you'll be less of a gullible dope next election.
I want to make very clear that the John who posted this response is not me, but a lesser John.
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